Thursday, January 8, 2009

BTN: Religion---I want to talk about it


Hello Fellow Biharis,

Now I understand why Bihar is lagging behind.But this is going to be my last mail to this group.

I put Manoj Padhi as spam more than a year back and never receive any emails from him.So those
of you who are pissed off by his stupid ideology should follow what I did and there will not be
any problem.I guess its padhi who is acting like moderator because changing name or post does
not change the thinking.So if anyone want to avoid him SPAM is the button folks..

Well Since this forum is talking about religion so I have a question to all the Hindus and Muslims and Christians..

Hinduism---Can someone prove that Ram was existant or even if he was ,he was incarnate of a God.He might be
a great king who might have been respected by people and over the course of thousand years became god.What
about thousands of other god who we worship.what is the proof of their existence??and How can u say for sure
that after 10000 years Gandhi would not be worshipped as God.Lot is said about rebirth.Tell me a strong evidence
of this.Not someone remembering smthing vague..it might be creation of the brain as human mind is very powerful
and it has ways to know few things.It happens with me also sometime that when I go to a new place it seems I have been there.
I am not reborn 100% guaranteed.

Muslims---Where is the proof of heaven(Jannat) after death.Tell me just one person who has been sent to Paradise
and one person who has been sent to Hell.Who has seen the day of judgement.Has anyone ever been able to recount
his experience?? any proof??How can the muslims say that Allah was not creation of Prophet Mohammed.He might
have thought that if he  said  the things written in Quran  should be the way of life people might not take him seriously
so he created Allah (god) and creted the concept of  judgement after death.Man is always scared of tomorrow and something
he has not seen.(like we are told life would be good if u get good score in 10th..then 12th ..then engineering....then job..and so on).

I dont know if Allah exist and even if he did he would have better ways to judge us than to see if the chicken we ate
was cut in a particular manner or someone had pre marital sex  so on and so forth.

IT IS JUST FAITH FOLKS

Like you beleive in your parents so some people beleive in someone else Hindus call him.RAM or  Muslims call him ALLAH
There is no proof they exist and there is no point in fighting for what you beleive as it sounds really stupid and kiddish.

Fanatics,think about what I have said.I apologize if my thinking hurts someone's beleif.My intention was to make a valid rational
point that you guys are wasting your precious energy in fighting over something which you have no proof of.

When Chritianity was about to die how come it became very dominanat  religion with Roman Empire??

There are lot of questions??

DIKHAAWE PE MAT JAO APNI AKAL LAGAO...

POOJA PAATH and NAMAAZ  SE, nothing is going to happen do something better.

May be teach a poor kid.Stupid hindus donate tons of money to frauds like sudhanshu.(ji maharaj)
he has made millions telling you common sense things.He is smart chap.(in reality he is a fraud)
I know it personally.wont go in the details as this is not important.Cant they use the same money
in treatment of a poor dying patient??

Muslims spend tons of money to go for Haj.Cant they spend the same money to help their neighbor.They
ask for Haj subsidy ??Why cant they ask for education subsidy??then may be plight would have been better.

Its funny folks..and when there is discussion about nothing but religion I feel when educated people think like
this then what would happen to uneducated people who can't think beyond the what they have been told about life by others.

Thanks you for reading

Kind Regards,
Mohit Kumar





From: Yakut Rumani sultan <yaqootrs@gmail.com>
To: BIHARTODAY@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:25:06 PM
Subject: BTN: Re: On Moderation

Dear Moderator,
 
Free voice doesn't mean to say anything which has been posted somewhere in the point view of other countries. Different countries have different point of view/motto to look the issues related to terrorism.We should discuss about ideal topic which can be accepted by other members as well. As you said its not the responsibilities of moderator to moderate sensor free posting..let you know that i am also a running a yahoo group with more than 500 members and all the mails are on moderated mode.We strictly review all the mails and remove such kind of discussion..which we can easily find a number of articles on Internet.why we waste our time..as we are not media person or not related to political parties or religious organisation.
 
Initially we were running moderate free mail for the healthy discussion but people started posting like article we found here in which some favour others and some doesn't. We changed the setting in moderate environment because i thought we started this group to make all the people on a single platform with the same objecting which was betterment of educational empowerment in bihar.We welcome such suggestion or project from every members which is useful for our objective.and removed the chance to fight each other whether for good cause or bad cause.
 
As you mentioned Jihad means Islamic terrorism...which even you don't know better what does it mean.and blindly compare with Nexalites. We have very clear meaning/definition of Jihad in our religion but not related to terrorism.In recent scenario, People and Media openly referred them Jihadi.Its ridiculous and we are arguing each other on the baseless topics. Its not like that if an individual or a group do terror that is jihad.My question is as bihari..as we have seen lot of mass blood shed by nexalite why not referred as jihadi..the only reason is they are not Muslim.Every where..education,war,politics,discussion we differentiate each other whether directly or indirectly.In this way we are not able to fight against terrorism.Anyway its a long discussion through different point of view or thoughts.
 
If you are unable to handle all the mails then increase the moderator number.but not blame that you can do this due to high number of mails or thoughts.
 
If not then I will request you then to change your google group name and we will happily quit the group as we have another work to do as well.
 
As concern to your referred blogs or website, I personally don't agree to participate on such kind of discussion or don't want to take/give any suggestion or something from/for those website which are using Islamic banner..and genuinely not running by the Muslim.There are number of sites running under the name of Islam are fake..or running by the non Islamic person and providing wrong information to all world wide or even to Muslim regarding Islam.
 
Thanks,
Yakut Sultan

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM, bihar today <bihartoday@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear readers:

A Moderators duty is not to sensor free will or free voice; its duty is to protect members respect.

Moderation can't be done with perspective or by a one liner. Specific charges must be leveled so that we can seek an explanation.

What explanation we can solicit from the accused - with the words venom/communal divide ? If you are a Hindu and wish to defend for Muslims, you can defend with arguements. Did we block any postings ?

if Jihadis are Islamic terrorists, Naxlites are Hindu terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists. For every argument, a counter argument is possible.

If  members are not discussing issues related to Bihar, in spite of  this huge opportunity, why moderators/promoters of this group to be blamed ?

We are giving you an example in USA:

Coalition Against Genocide  Vs COALITION FOR PEACE
(Muslims+Communists)               (Hindus)

DEMONSTRATION AT WHITE HOUSE ON JAN. 20TH ::COALITION FOR PEACE


Coalition Against Genocide calls for the continuation of visa ban on Modi


Ideological battle is every where; How can  a moderator prevent or change some one's free will ?

So, please feel to counter the arguments by arguments, in stead of using abusive words.

Please note the following... and read.. The Global Muslims are answering your questions and in damage control mode. They are not losing their temper as they are not in denial mode. They are in 'answering' mode.

877-WHY-ISLAM Website - Your Resource to Valuable Information on


It may be noted here that, Mr. Chandan Kumar's postings are not banned. All his postings, which contain abusive words are only blocked. if his posting doesn't appear with in 24 hours, he may re-write the same in decent words and re-send.

-Moderator








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