Friday, January 9, 2009

BTN: Religious Conversion/Nun identifies rape accused during identification parade

What is wrong with conversion ?

It appears that the members are not aware of the kind of methods/tactics adopted by Christian Missionaries..

A research article:
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?71+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs.+109+(spring+2008)

Quick Excerpts to create interest..

IV. SCRUTINIZING MOTIVES AND TRACKING CONVERSIONS: ORISSA

Orissa's Freedom of Religion Act of 1967 was overturned by an Orissa high court but reinstated in Stanislaus.38 The Orissa government's concern about populations seen as more vulnerable to allurement is not particularly obvious in [*pg 117] the language of its statute,39 but it is clear in another government document related to conversion. In the aftermath of the murder of Christian missionary Graham Staines and his sons in Orissa, the Justice D.P. Wadhwa Commission of Inquiry investigated and reported on the incident.40 The Wadhwa Commission report's section on "Motive" initially focused on the potential motives of the killers but frequently shifted to also question the motives of converts in the area. The Commission's particular concern with poor tribal populations is evident throughout this section of the report.

On the killers' motives, the report concluded, "[I]t appears that the motive for the crime was that there were conversions of illiterate and poor Hindu tribals to Christianity on certain premises . . . ."41 On the converts' motives, the report quoted several responses of converts deposed before the Commission. Pastor Timothy Murmu was quoted at length, evidently responding to the Commission's questions about potential force or allurement. In summarizing Murmu's responses, the report noted that "no force was used on anybody for conversion. [Murmu] added that . . . economic conditions did not improve [for those becoming Christians,] but persons who got converted 'get inner peace and become better human beings.'"42 Murmu said that he became a Christian after suffering from a long and acute illness. His wife heard about the curative powers of Christian prayer and invited Christians to their house. One week later, he was cured.43 The report went on to list other examples from Murmu's testimony of other medically motivated conversions in his village of Manoharpur:

  1. Kebe's mother was dying from high fever and "we all prayed for her and she survived [and] then the entire family got converted to Christianity."
  2. Manaki Gargi was earlier Hindu. In 1995 he became Christian but as he could not be cured of high fever, he got reconverted to Hinduism.
  3. Family of Kala Marandi remained Christian for 3 years. Her husband was suffering from some incurable disease. He got cured when he became Christian. One day he went to Thakurmunda by cycle and when he came back he died. Kala Marandi then again became Hindu in 1998.44

The Commission reported that it asked John Mathai, a linguist working for the Indian Evangelical Mission, "if this conversion was confined mainly to illiterate and poor people in the tribal areas," and received an affirmative response.45 The Commission took the testimony of some of the converts themselves. Note that [*pg 118] the Commission's summary used passive voice -- he was converted -- to describe the following conversion:

Nimai Hansda is a cultivator and resident of Manoharpur. He himself earns about Rs.5 to Rs.20/- per day [$1 = ~40 rupees]. His children also collect Sal leaves, stitch and then sell them. He said he was converted to Christianity two years earlier. None of the members of his family have however been converted to Christianity. He said he was ailing for a long time and he was cured after he embraced Christianity. He said all his family members advised him to convert to Christianity since his treatment in the government hospital had failed. Nimai Hansda said that his understanding of Christianity "is that one goes to church regularly and gets cured." He added that after embracing Christianity, his financial condition has not improved.46

The Commission paid particular attention to the potential medical and material motivations of converts and presented poor converts as people who were converted passively.

In addition to questioning the motives and monitoring the material conditions of converts, another government shortcut for assessing the validity of conversions is to monitor and suspect "mass" conversions. Orissa's law requires that conversions be reported, although this is not always enforced, nor is the data necessarily monitored closely. The Wadhwa report noted that the local officials in the area of the Staines' murders could have done more to monitor conversions, criticizing the District Magistrates and Superintendent of Police for not having a "proper working knowledge of the Orissa Freedom of Religion Act."47 The Wadhwa report also noted the Intelligence Bureau's (IB) role in monitoring missionary activities and funds: "Since conversions on the large scale can result in social tension and disruption of law and order, the IB keeps track of approximate conversions taking place in various parts of the country."48 In the district in which the murders took place, "the Christian population which was 2,595 in 1971 increased to 4,112, in 1991. The growth was not considered alarming by the IB."49 The report concluded that the Staines' murders had been carried out in the context of a "total failure of intelligence both at State and Central levels."50 The state mandate to track conversions, although not always carried out, seems to be aimed primarily at conversions from Hinduism to minority religions.

Thus, in Orissa, this government inquiry into missionary killings became an inquiry into converts' motives, which almost overshadowed the Commission's attention to the killers' motives. The 1999 report presented certain populations -- especially poor and tribal converts -- as passive convertees. Finally, the Commission approved of government surveillance of conversion activity and advocated more government scrutiny of numerical data on conversions and on shifting religious demographics.




On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Yakut Rumani sultan <yaqootrs@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes you are right here that i wanna tell you guys always that they are not jihadi..they are terrorist..why you people wrongly interpret the meaning of jihad.
 
And Rajiv..Why you always focus on conversion..there is nothing wrong if people convert with their own wish. No one force or make pressure to anyone. Even you can try or convince to anyone for that. It shows your problem or main concern. I always meet those people here and inviting me in their meeting or get together but i don't care about that because i don't have interest and having strong believe in my religion and also know that why they are inviting me but never forced me.
 
Anyway see if we will start looking everything then no one is perfect in the world..If You will raise a finger on me then rest of the fingers will point out you.So this is not the solution. Why not you do root cause analysis..prevention is better than cure.For example: Polio...there were number of child affected from this and doctors were helpless in early stage..but invented jab for this..now it has been reduced dramatically.why not they struggled for the drug who cures polio?but they invented medicine for root cause "prevention".
 
Take care.
Cheers!!!!
Yakut
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Aman Kumar Singh <amanksr@rediffmail.com> wrote:
Those who raped nuns are one of  Indian, among these  Indian are supporter of LeT, JeM, Hamas, Al Qaeda.   If we dont have supporters of terrorist and rapist country would have been better, I am sure you were expecting like few members that I would support them because they are hindus and I prove you wrong again. Crime is crime no matter who does it.

Tell me one criminal killed by those Jihadis, Jihad says not to kill innocent,  tell me which killing any one of you can justify ? I am sure you will ignore this because you will loose some of your supporter.


Thanks

Aman Singh



On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:28:29 +0530 BIHARTODAY@googlegroups.com wrote

Dear Manoj,

It would be great, if you let us know who are behind thie heinous crime. Are they from pakistan or Israel?

Chandan


Nun
identifies rape accused during identification parade Cuttack (PTI): More than four months after being
allegedly raped during the unrest in Orissa's Kandhamal district, a Catholic nun
on Monday identified two persons for their involvement in the incident, police
said.
The 29-year-old nun, who attended the test
identification parade of accused persons held at Choudwar jail near here,
identified two persons from among those lined up for the exercise, a senior
crime branch officer said. While 10 people had been arrested in connection with
the case, 80 others were also presented before the nun during the parade,
sources said, adding the exercise continued for about 90 minutes.
She first spotted four persons from among the 10
arrested men and finally zeroed in on two of them, they said. The much-awaited
parade was held in the high-security jail after the nun arrived there escorted
by crime branch sleuths including a lady police official and accompanied by
three other women, believed to be church representatives.
Sub-divisional judicial magistrate of Cuttack Sadar,
P K Das, was also present during the parade, they said. Though the parade was to
be held on Saturday, the authorities deferred the exercise till today citing
"unnecessary media attention", they said.
The nun was allegedly raped at K Nuagaon in
strife-torn Kandhamal during the Orissa bandh on August 25 after prominent VHP
leader Laxmanananda Saraswati was gunned down on August 23 at his Jalespota
ashram in the district.
Though the nun had alleged in the FIR lodged at
Baliguda police station on August 26 that she had been raped by one person, she
identified two youths during the parade, the official said, adding one of them
could be the main accused, while the other might have assisted in the offence.
The 10 arrested people, who were lodged at the
Baliguda sub-jail in Kandhamal district, had been earlier shifted to Choudwar
jail for the parade. The accused were arrested last October.
Though a court in Baliguda had fixed dates for the
parade twice earlier, the nun failed to turn up while seeking change of venue of
the exercise saying she did not want to visit Kandhamal again. Her plea was
heard by the Orissa High Court which allowed conduct of the parade at Cuttack.http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200901051715.htm


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